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J Gerber (jacog@intekom.co.za)
Being someone who eats meat myself, including beef (cows, moo, how cute) I should not be the one to talk, but I do feel that it is probably more humane to hunt animals in the wild where they still stand a chance of survival, than at a slaughterhouse where they are lined up for death, often seeing the ones before them getting killed. I have seen this and almost went vegetarian. If one is to farm animals for consumption, they should be killed seperately and quickly. As for hunters... don't kill it unless you plan to eat it.
Friday, March 06, 1998 at 11:11:27 (SAT) |
Guillermo Palacios (al589345@mail.cegs.itesm.mx)
I think animal cruelty is so bad. Im not agree with stuffs like hunting, bull figths, etc. Neither do I with people that buy clothes or shoes made of exotic animal skins. I hope people change some day.
Thursday, March 05, 1998 at 23:06:42 (SAT) |
Piet Pretorius (pietp@intekom.co.za)
What a load of crap! Why dont you all become vegetarians? God put animals on aerth for us to eat and survive. Commenting on the person that insinuates that workers at abbatoirs smoke grass, it is absolute nonsense. I worked in an abbatior for many years and I never knew of anybody smoking grass! Why dont you go and visit an abbatior close to you and see how the animals get treated. The SPCA keeps a close watch on abbatiors all over SA and they ensure that animals are treated well.
Thursday, November 06, 1997 at 11:39:45 (SAT) |
cheryl (mom.com)
If humans and animals were not useful to each other, neither would benefit. However, well treated farm animals are fed, reproduce, and are protected from the elements .They are safe from predators that might rip and tear them before they die slowly and painfully and are instead killed in such a way that stress, pain and suffering are minimal or totally absent. Caring people should protest noisily and ofen when any animal suffers as a result of its connection with humans. Those who care about animals make rules about management of farm animals and humane slaughter that are enforced by law. Unfortunately cruel people also have lawyers. So make your voice heard loudly and often if you hear of or see cruelty. Public opinion counts. However, if we did not get meat, leather, feathers, eggs, milk from farm animals we would be competing with them for space on this earth and their species would tend to die out. We are a very compeditive species!!!
Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 18:51:40 (SAT) |
Tiina Juurela (Tiina.Juurela@pp.inet.fi)
Hi!!! I`m from finland and I`think that it is awfull hoe peoppel trath animals just for they needs!! I`m vegetarian because I`dont understund so selfish acting! Have you ever heard abaut european animal transpotations?? I`dont know how things are there but here in some couyntrys situation is very bad. They threath living animals like they were allready death. If you havent heard abaut that, find out, because it is bad as it seems to or be even worst!!! Here is my poin of wiew it is not rigth to treath animals badly or k
Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 17:52:44 (SAT) |
cheryl barnes (cbarnes@hotmail.com)
I'd imagine one of the goals of this discussion is to make people like previous respondent aware that not everyone thinks like him
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 14:39:41 (SAT) |
Tom du Plessis (alice@wonderland.com)
What a load of crap! What is the goal of this useless discussion?
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 11:13:46 (SAT) |
Astrid Nankin (astrid@intekom.com)
At the risk of sounding like a confused new-ager, I want to add that human beings cannot apprehend the world with a closed view in which they are the central focus of all creative life and isolate themselves from other living things on the planet. All life is connected and to deny other life forms the dignity and reverance which humans afford themselves, is short sighted and ultimately self-destructive. It is an extreme arrogance on the part of human beings to have constructed that 'hierarchy' where certain life forms have more 'worth' than others. I believe that the systematic slaughter of animals trickles into our consciousness and affects our basic regard for life to its detriment.
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 10:56:09 (SAT) |
Jacqlyn (info@animals.co.za)
Me again:
I have also heard that the turnover of staff in abattoirs is very high.
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 10:02:39 (SAT) |
john kemp (johnk@hotmail.com)
It would be very interesting to know how abattoir workers themselves feel about the issue. It may just be an urban legend but I've heard that a large proportion smoke grass to help numb themselves from the reality of what they're doing. Is there anyone who can confirm this?
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 09:58:25 (SAT) |
Jacqlyn (info@animals.co.za)
We should be careful not to trivialise any animal's life by assuming that its entire purpose is to be eaten by us. I feel certain that an animal values its own life and comfort and that that should be sufficient reason for us to respect this.
Think about it: how would you feel in that animal's position?
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 09:44:37 (SAT) |
Paulo Froes (paulo@intekom.co.za)
Speaking from the point of view of being a carnivore it is a somewhat beleaguered approach to take to ensure an animal is happy for the portion of its life just before I eat it.
However, whether it is or not I do believe that all life is precious and we should "reward" life which is sacrificed for the furtherance of ours. I would also like to know if there is any organisation out there with the truth on what happens to animals bta (before the abattoir)
Friday, October 03, 1997 at 07:33:43 (SAT) |
rick ()
If only abattoirs were online and animals could type!
Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 16:06:57 (SAT) |
Nikki Botha (mop@intekom.co.za)
i take great offense in the question. Simply because these animals are destined to die, does NOT mean that they should have any of their rights should be violated. You can then follow the same line of arguement as far as humans are concerened. we are all destined to die, so lets just treat each other shitty and make life as painful as possible.
Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 13:03:13 (SAT) |
Jacqlyn Edge (info@animals.co.za)
According to a Press Release on the 19 July this year, this is the shortened version of the McLibel verdict:
"McLIBEL VERDICT - McDONALDS' CORE BUSINESS PRACTICES SLAMMED BY JUDGE
Judge finds it to be a fact that McDonald's 'exploit children' through their advertising strategy, that McDonald's promotion of its food as nutritious is a deceptive 'pretence', that McDonald's is 'culpably responsible' for cruelty to animals, and that McDonald's pays 'low wages' to its workers and is anti-union."
Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 12:06:26 (SAT) |
jeremy (jeremy@intekom.com)
The recent "McLibel" case in Britain, in which McDonald's took two animal rights activists to court over a pamphlet they had distributed, highlighted the vast gulf between the facts put forward by the multinational and those supplied by the defendants. Many ordinary people were left wondering where the truth really lay; selectively used facts on either side often obscure the real picture further. What's the solution? Is there any organisation/institution in SA which supplies reasonably neutral information endorsed by academics, the agricultural sector and activists? Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 11:23:35 (SAT) |
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